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there are the three of you plus me, making at least four who doubt that global warming is man-caused.  So I agree with Deadeye when he says lets keep things in perspective and I agree with Deadeye’s postscript message about the importance of trying to bring defensible information to lay persons about the complex physical aspects of temperature changes in the solar system, the atmosphere, on land masses, and in the oceans.

It was in the context of Deadeye’s postscript message that I posted those two links today about measurable indicators of long-term warming trends.  I posted them because there are many persons who still do not believe that there is detectible climatic warming, often because by some meteorological event they happened to get a snowfall in June when they should have already been harvesting some vegetables or fruit. 

 My posting was directed to the people with blinkers who deny that ground ice is melting away in tundra soils that have been perennially frozen ground since the surface glaciers melted back a few thousand years ago.  The same blinkered souls seem also unable to recognize the magnitude of climatic warming required to melt out the multi-year ice that has covered the surface of the Arctic Ocean for so long.  

It isnt very long ago that the current  political leader of Canada and the current political leader of the United States would not acknowledge that there is climatic warming, so I think there are many others who still feel that way today.  Therefore I feel justified in distributing what I think is defensible evidence of a trend to global warming.  That is a physical process that is a subject in its own right.  The question of whether some of that warming is attributable to humankind’s accelerating release of gases that have a greenhouse effect in the atmosphere is a totally different subject.   Sensible people should be able to discuss these two separate subjects, without the second subject (possible human causes) hijacking sensible discussion of the first subject (the evidence for global warming).

Cheers, all.     Equiz.

I think you got the picture wrong.  Shouldn’t it look like this?

re: ” is that like math ? ” …

response: ” well it depends like on how one goes about crunching stuff ”

seems to me that,.. You are Really Good at Fibonacci Projections ( for Price Expectations ) ,… Hmmm, .. is Fibonacci like math ( in any way ) ? { rhetorical }

Me .. I like ” look ” at Timing .. 3.5 .. ” appears ” interesting .. But .. I am pondering over a Better FundaMENTal number …

There are some ( to me ) quite interesting Numbers at websites ..

ray.tomes.biz/

ray.tomes.biz/maths.html … ( look at the numbers on the charts )

www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/

www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/indexlength.html

www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/indexname.html

.. Is The Universe Actaully Made Of Math

http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/16-is-the-universe-actually-made-of-math

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Max Tegmark -The Mathematical Universe

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704/0704.0646v2.pdf

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Cyclically …. Gold ” has a Date ” with the Week of 7 July 2008 .

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2_p …… (  MaxHeadRoom )

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Global Warming & Cooling are not going to change due to some manipulative Carbon Trading Capping system. I think most understand (at least here and on other blogs) this is merely the latest attempt at a Massive Transfer of Wealth thru a ’stealth’ tax on just about everything.

Anyway, lots of interesting comments today re this ‘warming’ subject. Note also, the media for the most part has changed their call sign from the man made Glo-Bull W0rming call letters to a more benign sounding……..

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Later, will post some thoughts re Solar Energy for homes.

Bill,
It’s official- it’s now a WWE-style free-for-all in banking. GS slaps a sell on both Citi (think recent Arab investors) and GM (think also GMAC), while Wachovia retaliates and issues a sell on GS, and Barclays says batten down the hatches because the U.S. Fed is incompetent. Whew! Welcome to the room full of cornered rats with nothing left to eat but themselves. This is gonna get ugly real soon.

Four key points:

* They ALL know what’s coming.
* They are proving when TSHTF it’s every man for himself.
* They couldn’t make a better case for gold ownership if they tried.
* It will be a GIGANTIC free-for-all when the gold and silver shorts blow up.

I have never seen the money masters in such disarray and chaos. Failed derivatives and cascading defaults have a peculiar way of making cornered rats even less predictable. There is now a growing worldwide animosity towards Western banking and Wall Street. It won’t take much for one irrational decision, or a rational one for that matter, to implode the entire derivatives complex. To say it is teetering is an understatement.

Wait till the free-for-all starts in gold. Or rather, wait till you start HEARING about the free-for-all in gold. It in all likelihood has already begun. I suppose when gold explodes Joe Lieberman and his ilk will demand limits on gold speculators as a remedy to “save” the dollar from harm. Like most of his career Joe will again have it ass-backwards. Jon Nadler too should stop cheerleading for the demise of commodity speculators. The law of unintended consequences could bite the rear end of the pool-account purveyor.

James Mc

The Saftey of Solar what a joke, compared to what? Maybe the saftey of their pocket books. What, digging up the earth and depleting the reserve water beneath to get the oil and gas, that they want us dependent on is good for the earth?And what about the cost of putting more staws in the ground..oil wells, gas, why don’t they just give them grants once they can prove the oil or gas is there? That is if they are so worried about peak oil and Opec. They talk a good talk about wanting alternative energy, or any energy, but when they get it, they don’t want it.

Just wondering..down the road, if oil gets out of hand, how much harder it will be to buy the PM physicals, and at what cost? With all the new uses for silver, it just migh start being mined like coal  for manufacturers, who knows. Then of course will come refining issues.

with all respect, lack of sunspot activity for a few minutes will not have a signficant effect. 

Another thing to throw in the mix.

Don Coxe talks for a few minutes about the lack of sunspot activity for a few minutes in this weeks webcast.

events.startcast.com/events/199/B0002/

OK Ferret -  is that any clearer?

I had always been sceptical about “man-made” global warming, but fro me the clincher was the rise in the temperature of the oceans.  This could not be man-made.  If anything the oceans should probably be cooler with the man made particulate and chemical smogs.  But the the downwards heat transfer rate between a horizontal gas/liquid interface is so low that it would take about a thousand years for the warming we have seen in the last fifty years to be transferred to the seas.  If anything, some of the warming effect is coming from the earth’s crust and is warming the seas as well as the atmosphere.

There is such a thing as Global warming and cooling but I assure all that mankind has nothing to do with it and can not change it or even make any significant difference.

First, why man can make no significant difference: One volcano puts out more CO2 and carbon monoxide than all the cars ever manufactured.

Second: man has not caused global warming: The ice cap 30,000 years ago extended all the way south to St Louis Mo. USA and in fact scooped out much of what we call the Great Lakes. It has melted back to it’s reminants of today. Most all of the melting occured before man emirged from a caveman, much before he stepted foot on North America. One large lightening caused forest fire burns more wood that all of mankinds campfires ever did.

This issue is about money, power and control by a handfull of mis-guided fools who have pushed an agenda to dupe two generations of youngsters who knew no better and could not argue back against liberal teachers who swallowed this false science.

Now an even more important fact that is never mentioned or disscussed. Surely we can all agree that the earth temperature has changed greatly over millions of years. Forests have become deserts, Palm tress are burried under the polar ice cap. Areas where mountains are were once seas, Sea levels have risen and fallen, etc. all undisputeable.
Now certain people are alarmed that the temperature could rise a few degrees in a thousand years - yes and they could also fall a few degress in the next 10,000 years in cycles like they have done for hundreds of millions of years.
Please tell me how anyone knows that in this speck of time today the earth happens to be at the perfect temperature as opposed to some higher or lower temperature. Some people must think they are God no less!
The real problem is most people have no conception of Geologic time and we humans have been here for only a tiny speck of time comparable to a grain of sand on the beach.
PS: I am just trying to educate and cause people’s brains to kick into gear instead of just inhaleing the liberal media propaganda. Deadeye

OK

The ” opinion ” I hold is that Global Warming is Cyclical

Humans have no impact on such …

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sounds good to me .. ” Lily Tomlin ” .. quite funny … ” is this the person to whom I am speaking ”

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sell anything ToDay Ment ?

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found some sobitchite in their windfall lake property apparently. figures

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I bet this make running the stops much easier.

“Things will get worse only after they get much worse!”

Lily Tomlin