PMFEVER catch it if you can

you are lost and I feel sorry for you. A deflation tsunami is coming over the world and you keep missing it. That’s too bad because you should know better. I don’t care what Petch says or Willie or anyone else you trot out. You don’t get and you never will.

Sometimes it takes a big person to admit they are wrong. You never will and that says a lot about your character.

You can sit in your lofty perch and laugh at me? The financial world is completely falling apart. Here’s your inflation right here… stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=xme

Choke on it PM because it’s embarrasing. Everything I have pointed out has been 100% accurate concerning the deflation of the world.

(except for falling wages and prices lol)

GM is a Penny Stock

Hi Bill:
Geez, talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
GM shares fall to new record low on cash concerns
biz.yahoo.com/ap/080702/auto_stocks.html
The 1954 price of GM at it’s lowest was $10.36.
Today it’s $10.45 at it’s lowest, so far.
Using the Feds “inflation” numbers, today’s $10.45 equals $1.30 in 1954.

Gold was $35 per ounce. The GM low in 1954 was then 1/3 of an ounce.
One third of an ounce today is over $315.
In gold, GM today is actually worth slightly more than 1/100th of an ounce.
Or in 1954 terms, 35 cents. A penny stock!
Is that total collapse or what?
Respectfully,
Edward Ulysses Cate
GreatRedDragon.com

LP………..LOL….This whole deflation/ inflation debate is a cruel joke….

Sabregold

by LP. @ 18:37 pm.

Thanks for your insight and links.

It’s amazing how few GET it.

Too big a vested interest in juniors me thinks.

Wanka great to have you back.

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You have a massive deflationay backdrop because of massive debt of all kinds.  You have massive dollar inflation to fight it off.  In the end you are left with massive stagflation.  JS has had it right all along.  Separately, you have the issue of how the currency is handled in this environmet.  In the 29 period, paper currency was tied to Gold so it was “as good as Gold” so it was sought to hold.  Today, like in the late 70’s it is not so nobody wants the dollars and is getting rid of them for anything that will hold value.  Thus, the dollars are not being “hoarded” because their value is falling like rocks- the exact opposite of the deflationary 29 period.  As “real things” are inflated in price due to the dollar inflation (and every other paper currency in the world will accelerate, also), the price inflation will spread.  Only one place to protect your savings…..Gold and Silver, but with the Dollar going to nothingness investors will not flee to hoarding Dollars so they will opt for paper claims on Gold and Silver in the ground- PM stocks.

Stagflation rules as the massive deflationary backdrop will guarantee that the Dollar inflation will continue to accelerate (along with all the other countries’ currencies) AND that real rates will remain extremely low.  Separately, the Fed is crapping on the citizens by playing the “tainted CPI card” which helps to keep wage inflation, especially fixed income, artificially in check.

The one area they cannot “affect” is the Oil sector since it is dominated by countries who definitely do not want dollars (any paper currency), in fact, will only sell Oil based on buying Gold.  IMO, as long as the Dollar is falling- oil will be rising due to the wants of the major producers in terms of how they view “money.” 

 Everything else is just a distraction………..a little smoke, here…….a little mirror, there…… The stock market is going down even while it is supported by the falling Dollar as our stock market is priced in Dollars.  Yet, just what percent is it down to date?  Remember the 70’s?  In the 70’s the Dow only dropped about 40%, but was really down 90% against constant Gold- the same as in the 29 period.

Rather than to try to lump all of the different parts of many beasts together like the hot dog, why not separate out the different components to try to use each in a way that can positively affect your life.  The financial stocks are being revalued to their real value.  Gold and Silver are in the process of being revalued to their real value in terms of the paper currencies.  Ditto Oil.  The Fed can print all the Dollars they want and they can do whatever they want to with them as there is no honesty in this world, today.  They can buy all of the US debt- monetization- as long as they claim to be some other entity.  They can trade bonds with themselves like Enron did with paper energy……as if that was not the govy.  There simply are no rules - just paper echoes flying around.

Stagflation……………..This is it!…………LOL.

GR

buymore @ 20:02 pm.

Currently at:

35% GOLD coins
40% SILVER (mostly coins)
18% PM Stocks and long term options
7% -Cash and assorted coins (mostly nickel/penny)

Margin of error in above categories = .5 - 1% :lol:

Any new commitments, for now, will go towards Silver coins.

And will mostly like be completely out of any and all stocks when PM indices hit new all time highs, or shortly thereafter.

JBI

LP (18:37) Just offering my opinion here in reaction to

your 18:37.  I try to accumulate physical silver and gold at a rate that available cash allows.  But in addition to that avenue of investment for the future, we are continuing to hold the silver-based and gold-based equities we already hold, even though you indicated that your opinion is that there is too much emphasis on junior PMs. 

 Perhaps naively, I still expect silver and gold equities to show positive capital gains if POG goes to $1000 or $1200 or $1400 or $1650.  At the moment I cannot think of a reason why the corresponding equities should’nt rise significantly if POG were to again  penetrate above $1000 and hold its position above $1000.  I am not at all sure yet that the latter will happen for the price of physical gold, but in view of the many respected analysts who suggest that gold is headed above $1000, I would just feel uncomfortable not having some positions in PM equities that I thought offered some leveraged advantage if and when the price of physical gold and  the price of physical silver does rise significantly.

Just expressing my simplistic view of how I feel comfortable with an equity/physical mix in the  PM-related portion of our investment portfolio.  Best wishes from our corner of “The Commonwealth”.  Cheers.  Equiz

Ferret…..re your comment

“Is your debt becoming more, or less, or a burden?”

….LESS !……2 years ago with gold at 450ish…I took out a Mortgage on a fully paid home…

….Bought $100,000 of Gold….220 ounces…..which has more than doubled in Value…

…and I am paying back the Mortgage at a very low rate…and with Depreciating Dollars…

…I love my debt !

….could pay off the mortgage with less than half of the gold…and still have 120 ounces left….

….where did these ounces come from….?

….out of Thin air….I guess

:)

deflation

Yet there are powerful obstacles in the way of wage rates and prices falling. Not the least of these is the prevailing belief that rather than it being the reduction in the quantity of money and volume of spending that is deflation, it is the fall in wages rates and prices that is deflation. This incredible confusion leads to misguided attempts to combat deflation by means of preventing the only thing that would make possible a recovery from deflation, namely, a fall in wage rates and prices.

good article on inflation deflation second article down

it may require a little attention

www.georgereisman.com/blog/

Took son deep sea fishing , for his b-day

My son and i went out yesterday in the a.m. He wakes me up 2 in the morning and ask , is it time to leave , wide awake he was. Brought him back to bed and he say’s i can’t sleep dad. Like the night before christmas it was. At 4 he is back in our room , and me and him go down stairs , coffee please. Left here 1 hr. early , so he could sit on the boat longer. Left Plymouth and 1 1/2 hr. later at the tip of the cape. Guy , Warren hit first and hooked 2 blues at the same time. The look on my 10 yr. old was priceless , when they pulled 2 - 30″ blue fish in the baot. We all took turns and hit. Son turn came up later and he hits for 2 blues at the same time. What a fighting fish , but 2 on the hook at same time, hold on. We caught 12 blue’s no striped bass, this time. Spent today smoking fish with him and resting , with my bad arm it sure hurt like hell , but it was his day, and he really had a ball of a time. He asked all day today if we could spend his wallet $ and he will pay for me that’s how much fun he had. I was 25 when i first went. Best regards , CT

Note to ment17 followers, regarding line 4 of his 20:14 posting.

If I read line 4 correctly, by sometime in 2009 it may be prudent to convert the portion of one’s  PM portfolio that is now in silver and gold equities into physical holdings of silver and gold.  I shall watch this beacon as 2009 approaches.  As the heathen calendar goes, we are now half way to 2009 since 1 January 2008.  Cheers, ment.  Beautiful day here today.  Equiz.

Buymore

…I cant think of a thing I’d like to invest in other than PMs….

…but you gotta be Tough to ride this Gold Bull….

…Its the Wildest Bull in the Field….

…Inflation Deflation Stagflation Mutilation ….

…whatever it is thats comming..

….Gold and Silver are the only real Money….

….What a Ride !

buymore @ 20:02 pm

A quote from RR tonight “I’ll repeat again that our favored position is cash and gold.”

My  new position is about 49% gold 49% silver 1% PM shares 1% cash and rising. Also a big proportion of my gold is also cash (face value)

buymore @ 20:02 pm on July

based on 1000 bucks // a small guy here in the dumpster

50% gold

25% silver

25% stocks silver gold convert to silver/gold in mid 09..

10% cash need to feed the inflation

ment is not a bitcher of moaner ,,, just seen the value of cash going down,,

so what the heck ..

buymore

Keep buying the physical in hand. Inflation it will do well . Deflation will do better then most things this time. Once you could count on Real Estate , no more. If Deflation comes in the end , Everything goes down in price , even gold and silver. But gold and silver will go down the least. CT

Down, down, down……….. (better buymore!)

I’ve posted this before but it still seems to portend the end of the world. The top 2 were from R. Russel, the bottom 2 …i forget who….. (either age or smoking to much) anyway closes below these indices levels, as I remember from Russel, says the rope has broken and we are all going straight to hell. Ment & Sabre included.

Line in sand                          today

Dow                   12,845                                   11,215

Trans                   4,672                                     4,653

D. comp               8,800                                    8,465

W. 500                13,750                                  12,842

I’ve been waiting on the transports. They were way up there. But with the cost involved in transporting a bag of groceries & a 6-pk from the nearest 7-11….no way they can fly.

Which brings me to ask all you bitchers, moaners & lurkers out there. Is there anything better than a mix of pms (Jrs. & Biggies with a few mistakes) & physical. Say 50-50, give or take 10% or 15% either way. Please, I beg of you to post your thoughts. Deflation , inflation wtf, where do YOU  put your money (thats the main point)? Come on, I’m not very openminded (about this) but I’ll listen. My feeling is that eventualy everything will be priced in gold. I hope ya’ll took it to heart when I suggested that you……

buymore (I did)

Overseas…….

Dow Jones World Stock Index may be about to breakdown further in a big way.

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Early Asia trading shows New Zealand’s (only one opened at this time) DOWN almost 1.50%.

finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia

The Americas (today)……all red

finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=americas

EUROPE (earlier today)……mixed

finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe

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JBI