PMF 23:40

i really like this bull ‘action’ i do. i can see somewhat a resist at the 985-1000 area basis aug which is now virtually spot and then at the 1025 area but the foward presure is relentless. hasta be some strong phyzz offtake. shorts got burned primarily the specs as usual. such is life. teaches them not to stand in front of maya’s freight trains. [g]
your projection is sound imho. i’m targeting 1150-1200 area for the position profit take. added silver last night at 19 dec.
current position trade entries are 899, 935, 959 and 17, 19 all dec. bring on the fuzzy eeories! best wj

UBS ups gold forecast as risk aversion spurs ETF buying

 Article here

PMFever

~ ~ ~ Yeah, but how about in times of negative interest rates where rates are falling making real rates more negative?

Negative interest rates are derived by subtracting the the true rate of inflation from the 3 month treasury rate of  a given currency. Shadowstats.com calculates inflation rates as they were done in the 1980’s prior to the government getting creative and changing things. As rates fall, the rates become more negative, which in part represent the seeds from which inflation will later be sewn. 

“ During deflation, everything is liquidated, which drives in turn drives the price of gold lower. “

~ ~ ~ Are you sure that is true?  Can you give an example with a chart of Gold in such a period? 

Gold and silver are political metals and have been fixed in price for most of the past 500 years. In 1929-1932, that was the period of deflation and after that prices remained low. The government “fixed” the price of gold before revaluing it, so this creates a “foggy” patch of history. Given the huge losses created by the frational reserve banking system we have created, everyone could wake up tomorrow and have absolutely nothing…the financial landscape would cease to exist and  bartering would become the economic model for the next while. Who would have claim to land etc. would become questionable and all civil order would degrade. No government is going to allow this to happen, so at best, rather than hyperinflation the US gov/FED simply plugs the dike and adds money as fast as it disappears. Do not forget the transfer of USD for oil and other countries with a PEG to the dollar….both represent inflation by expansion of USD through other mechanisms. If the US were to be allowed to enter a period of deflation, there would be nothing left and the above would come to fruition. No government will go for that so they will print their way out of it. In the end, those with gold and silver will have the best chances in the next currency regime because it will be directly transferable for a set amount. If we had deflation in the true sense, there would be a constant source of gold and silver popping up on the market excluding sources from Central Banks, so the price would spike lower….

~ ~ ~ I certainly agree with most of what you have said, but…………I am a bit unclear in what you have said, here.  “Credt?”  I think M3 is M2, plus some credit issues that might function as money………if memory serves.  Is it possible that this also includes the expanding derivatives, themselves?   Is the creation of derivatives inflationary?\

Expanding derivatives is indeed inflationary because it keeps on adding layers to the onion that is only going to result in a lot more crying later on. The core is bad and it will eventually hit the outer layers, no matter how fast they are added. As the layers expand, it takes more and more to cover each prior layer…this delays the onset of deflation and creates a short-term inflationary period which requires another layer to be added in the not too distant future. Not only this, we still have to go through the psychological phases to indicate that this bull market in gold and silver is over… In the end, the derivative problem will be deflationary, but for now it provides a cushion to the inflationary environment.

SB

Gold Shares in China

DJ MARKET TALK: China Shares Slightly Higher; Gold Miners Lead

0156 GMT [Dow Jones] China shares slightly higher, led by gold miners on
gains in spot metal price; still, “the fact that goldminers are leading the
gains isn’t a good sign - it’s (also) a mark of investors’ lack of confidence
as gold is seen as a haven when the global economy is bothered by inflation
concerns,” says Industrial Securities analyst Zhang Yidong. Zhongjin Gold
(600489.SH) +2.8% at CNY58.05, Shandong Gold-Mining (600547.SH) +4.4% at
CNY67.17. Shanghai Composite +0.3% at 2887.53 in light trade and tipped in
2800-2900 range; Shenzhen index +0.7% at 877.76. (NYW)

My e mail not working….could someone copy my last post and send it to Bill Murphy

….i am sure he would like to know about this…

LePatron@LeMetropoleCafe.com

Israeli in USA

During August, I will be in New Jersey (West Orange and Elizabeth) and in Cleveland, Ohio, and probably a day or two in Washington D.C.  I would be pleased to meet any Tenters in those areas. Please contact me by email through the Forum management.

Look at THIS….Hell must have froze over

….along with my Futuresource Platform I get live Dow Jones news wire ….

..I often copy it here….as the info is timely…

…look what just came along the Dow Newswire Service….I cant beleive it !

DJ MARKET TALK: Goldbugs Even More Bullish On Fannie,Freddie Plan

0306 GMT [Dow Jones] U.S. Treasury plan to stabilize Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,
while designed to calm fears of systemic weakness in U.S. financial sector,
being interpreted as another positive indicator for gold price by some
commentators. Bill Murphy, a gold investor and long term critic of Fed monetary
policy says on his Lemetropolecafe website that ramifications of plan are being
ignored. “The simplistic answer is of course there are (ramifications) and they
should lead to higher U.S. interest rates and a weaker dollar; and, of course,
a soaring price of gold, which is what we are likely to get in the weeks and
months ahead.” Murphy of view that implicit government backing of two GSEs
will, in effect, result in significant expansion of U.S. government debt,
something he regards as inherently inflationary. Spot gold currently bid at
$970.05, down $2 vs New York close. (JAC)

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Wanka………USD continuing the slow slide toward …..

………the edge of the cliff.  My guess is that it falls to the edge, then bounces a bit as Gold re-tests the highs as we talked about last night……………then a small correction before the Dollar takes the plunge and Gold is off to 1130 then 1250ish.  So far, Gold has played back and forth between the lines on last night’s chart.  Should be interesting to watch with Silver outperforming into the top.  Now, I have to go on “brokerage watch”, too.

Welcome Starman

From BC

www.youtube.com/watch?v=muMcWMKPEWQ

Are you are northern star?

SOEE………..LOL…….Who’s yer Daddy?


Sabe’sBud……A couple of questions….

sabre, a few little pointers

by sabresbuddy @ 22:42

“ Gold does well in environments of negative interest rates, followed by rising rates…NOT during periods of falling interest rates.”

~ ~ ~ Yeah, but how about in times of negative interest rates where rates are falling making real rates more negative?

“ During deflation, everything is liquidated, which drives in turn drives the price of gold lower. “

~ ~ ~ Are you sure that is true?  Can you give an example with a chart of Gold in such a period? 

“Gold has not turned down and is on its way to well above $3000/ounce. This is anything but deflation, as suggested by the negative interest rate environment and continuous expansion of M3. M3 is fiat expansion plus credit…they can not be separated, especially in today’s age.”

~ ~ ~ I certainly agree with most of what you have said, but…………I am a bit unclear in what you have said, here.  “Credt?”  I think M3 is M2, plus some credit issues that might function as money………if memory serves.  Is it possible that this also includes the expanding derivatives, themselves?   Is the creation of derivatives inflationary?

Your pal 

thanks fully….we now have our one and only goldtent ’starman’ residing in bc. [g] wj


Hey! They videotaped the guy when he sold me my PNP shares!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIRedOqDwE

welcome Sabresbuddy from BC

….you are on the Locator….now 185 strong

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FGC

No just thinking maybe knowing it would go up maybe they don’t wan people to have

hey hace to go to the hosp. an emergency maybe some other time.