old-timer (23:37) Thanks. Well explained.. But given the choice, I prefer

big enforcers with flat bellies.  To me that demonstrates someone with discipline for worthwhile principles.   I think with discipline one can keep their genetic body-size bigness “big” without having a belly flopping out over their belt-line.  But, as you said, it all depends upon what the population expects of their big cops.   Maybe some think that to be big you need to have a big belly.   p.s.  I think the price of gold has a good chance of continuing edging up from here.  Equiz.

Manipulation of Food Prices…The feds dont think there is Food Inflation…it must be manipulation….LOL

DJ WSJ(9/23) Federal Prosecutors Probe Food-Price Collusion

(From THE WALL STREET JOURNAL)
By John R. Wilke

Federal prosecutors have opened separate criminal probes into possible
price-fixing by major egg producers and California tomato processors, the
latest in a series of U.S. investigations of alleged collusion in food and
agriculture.

The investigations, which have not been previously reported, add to concerns
that beyond the rising cost of fuel and feed, a hidden factor may be driving
food prices higher: collusion among farmers, food processors or exporters.

A Justice Department official confirmed that it had opened investigations
into tomatoes and eggs. Federal agencies already are pursuing criminal or civil
inquiries in markets including fertilizer, cheese and milk, examining whether
suppliers worked in league to manipulate prices. The Justice Department said it
had also opened a probe last year into the citrus-fruit industry.

Higher food prices have become a hot issue in the presidential campaign and a
rising source of anxiety in the global economy. In part, prices have climbed in
response to rising world demand in places such as China and India, as well as
drought and energy costs. But years of unrestrained consolidation among food
producers may have had an impact as well, diminishing competition in many
markets.

“When big guys get bigger, it makes collusion easier,” said Peter Carstensen,
a University of Wisconsin law professor who has testified in Congress on
competition in the food industry.

Under U.S. law, it’s a crime for competitors to collaborate on production or
prices. However, many farm groups and cooperatives are allowed to work together
under antitrust exemptions such as the 1922 Capper-Volstead Act. The act, one
of a web of loopholes carved out over the years, was originally meant to help
small farms bargain with big processors. Egg and tomato producers say their
cooperation is shielded by these exemptions. In stepping up enforcement in
food, prosecutors are signaling a new willingness to test these exemptions’
limits.

In the tomato-industry probe, a federal grand jury in Sacramento, Calif., has
issued subpoenas, and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents are interviewing
executives of big California tomato processors, lawyers close to the case said.
The officials are trying to determine if dominant processors of tomatoes for
canning, ketchup, salsa and sauces conspired to fix prices, these people said.

The tomato probe grew out of an investigation into allegations that a
consultant to a big processor, SK Foods Inc. of Lemoore, Calif., was working
with SK to bribe buyers at six major food companies to pay inflated prices for
tomato paste and chili peppers. In wiretaps and raids carried out as part of
the bribery probe, investigators found evidence of the wider price-fixing
conspiracy, according to FBI documents filed in federal court in Sacramento.

A lawyer for SK Foods declined to comment on the bribery case or collusion
inquiry but said the company is cooperating with investigators. The lawyer,
Brian Maschler, said SK and other processors disbanded their industry
organization, the California Tomato Export Group, in May shortly after the FBI
raided several tomato processors. He said that while its members believed the
group was exempt from antitrust law, “we wanted to avoid even the appearance of
anything improper.”

Tomatoes are among the big price gainers in the past year, notwithstanding
this summer’s scare — false, it turned out — that fresh tomatoes could be
tainted with salmonella. Tomato prices rose 16% in the year ending in August,
while food prices overall rose about 6%, according to the Bureau of Labor
Statistics.

In an unrelated probe, the three largest U.S. egg processors also have
received grand-jury subpoenas. The criminal investigation is focused on the
pricing and marketing of egg products, such as liquid and powdered eggs,
lawyers and industry executives said.

Golden Oval Eggs LLC, Michael Foods Inc. and MoArk LLC, a unit of Land
O’Lakes Inc., have each confirmed that they received subpoenas, sent by the
U.S. Attorney in Philadelphia, covering the years 2002-08. Golden Oval said it
is cooperating with the U.S. inquiry; MoArk also is cooperating and noted that
it sold its egg-processing business but remains in fresh eggs.

A Michael Foods executive also declined to comment and said the company is
responding to the government’s requests. Michael Foods of Minnetonka, Minn., is
the world’s largest egg processor, with 2007 sales of $1.6 billion. Its
products end up in hundreds of prepared foods from pasta to pancake mix.

The Justice Department wouldn’t disclose how it believes processors
manipulated the prices of egg products. There’s no indication that the
department is looking into the larger market for fresh eggs, where prices have
increased more than 40% in a year.

But producers of fresh eggs have coordinated their efforts to raise prices,
according to industry participants and a Wall Street Journal review of industry
documents.

Fresh-egg farmers acted together through a series of export shipments,
organized by United Egg Producers, an industry cartel whose 250-plus members
include virtually all of the nation’s big egg producers. By removing a small
fraction of eggs that would have been bound for U.S. sales and arranging
instead for their export, United Egg helped tighten domestic supply and drive
up the price of eggs across the country, according to newsletters and other
documents that United Egg sent to its members.

After three years without significant exports, United Egg shipped nearly 100
container loads, or 24 million dozen fresh eggs, to Europe and the Middle East
at the end of 2006 and early 2007, industry participants say. Each member was
required to provide a share of the sale, prorated by flock size. The orders
were sold at below the prevailing U.S. price for fresh eggs, United Egg said.

The industry group itself credited the campaign with helping to boost
domestic egg prices, which rose more than 40% in the next year. Gene Gregory,
the Georgia-based group’s executive director, said export orders amounted to
less than 2% of industry output. “But it is amazing how one or two percent can
have an effect on the rest of your domestic price,” he said.

Egg prices began to soften in March 2008. United Egg put together another
export order. It sent 100 container loads, this time to buyers in Japan and
Iraq, again selling them at well below the domestic price. U.S. egg prices shot
up again in the summer. United Egg says it is in the process of shipping 120
more container loads.

The U.S. Agriculture Department’s chief economist said that while higher feed
costs have played a part in lifting egg prices, the primary causes for price
DJ WSJ(9/23) Federal Prosecutors Probe F… - Part 2

rises through 2007 and into 2008 were limited production and tight supply.

“In 2007, table-egg producers cut production,” a decision that predated the
run-up in feed costs, the Agriculture Department economist, Joseph Glauber,
said in congressional testimony in May. “In 2007, the wholesale price for a
dozen Grade A large eggs in New York averaged $1.14 per dozen, 43 cents higher
than the previous year,” Dr. Glauber testified.

The exports followed a previous effort by United Egg to limit supply by
pressing members to cut the size of their flocks. In 2004, according to members
and internal documents, the group pressed its members to increase the sizes of
their hen cages, a response to the growing number of producers advertising
“cage free” eggs and the threat by some states to introduce new
animal-treatment rules.

But bigger cages also mean farmers can keep fewer hens in the same space.
United Egg warned its members not to build additional cage capacity to make up
for these flock reductions, according to its internal newsletters. Producers
that raised flock size risked being removed from United Egg’s “animal-care
certified” logo program.

Mr. Gregory, the United Egg executive, said that the program “was not done to
raise prices. We phased in these cage-size restrictions over several years to
avoid market disruptions.”

Before United Egg’s export initiative and the industry’s flock reductions,
the egg industry had a boom-and-bust history of profit and overproduction.

The industry leader, Cal-Maine Foods Inc., of Jackson, Miss., has enjoyed
sharply higher share prices and profit in the past two years. In the year ended
July 28, it reported that higher egg prices helped push net income to $152
million, from $37 million a year earlier. Its shares traded as high as $48.80
in August. Cal-Maine shares have slipped recently, to $40.36, still well above
the August 2006 price of $7.42.

“Greece had its Golden Age . . . and now the U.S. egg industry is having its
turn,” Watt’s Egg Industry newsletter boasted in its February edition. “Egg
prices have soared at historic highs through months in which producers usually
hold on for dear life.”

United Egg says its collective actions, including exports handled by a United
Egg affiliate, are shielded from antitrust law under the Capper-Volstead Act.
But its efforts to raise U.S. prices could lead to new scrutiny of exemptions
from Congress and regulators.

Farmers are a powerful political voice, and the exemptions aren’t likely to
be repealed. But the latest food-industry investigations show that antitrust
enforcers are increasingly willing to challenge the co-ops they allege have
overstepped the spirit of the law. A presidentially appointed commission last
year raised questions about whether such exemptions still efficiently served
the purpose of helping small farms.

“Some of these exemptions have outlived their usefulness” given vast changes
in the economy, said David Wales, competition chief at the Federal Trade
Commission, which shares antitrust enforcement with the Justice Department.
Without referring to a specific case, he added: “If businesses are going to use
one of these narrow exemptions to engage in anticompetitive conduct, we’re
going to take a hard look at that.”

DJ WSJ(9/23) Federal Prosecutors Probe Food-Price -2-

Investigators are also looking into alleged efforts by the Dairy Farmers of
America to restrict competition, lawyers close to that case say. The big dairy
cooperative is also under investigation by federal regulators for alleged
manipulation of cheddar-cheese futures prices in the Chicago Mercantile
Exchange.

The Justice Department official declined to comment on the dairy industry.
The dairy cooperative says it hasn’t violated antitrust law and is cooperating.

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Damn L is stuck on the keyboard

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Incredible Volitility

just a few minutes ago Gold spiked down to -24 now -15

…Probably just cleaning out Gartman’s Stops again

:)

@ Equisetum

You must realize that in Amurrica, it’s ALL about size.
If it’s BIG, it’s powerful and therefore good.
Big means you don’t have to explain, or reason, or even think!
How easy it is for us to just eat, grow BIG, and exercise our will.
Cops, being on the frontline of defense of the Amurrican Way
naturally embody this ’spirit’,
( I use the term loosely as it has absolutely NO connection to
higher consciousness)
and are, as you point out, regularly shown on dash cam videos
being oh so really stupid, but with the legal power to kill.
Watch some of those videos where they play Terminator extras in their
multi thousand dollar SWATDRAG, tasing everyone in sight; the smallest getting the brunt of it,
because it’s so much easier if you’re big to go for the really small.
Makes the back of your neck get real warm, it does.
We love BIG, we love football (more big) and we love our SUV’s.(BIG).
We love our BIG money. Even if it’s hollow, it will take a while for those we cudgel with it to see.
By then, we will be long gone with the real goods.
At least that’s how we’ve done it so far.
And, back to your original: Yes, our cops gotta be BIG to be effective.
It’s a job requirement most places.

Ferret…are the Silver premiums you had last week holding up ?

Anybody want to sell..at Spot + 3 dollars an ounce ?

“Physical silver alert….From Midas too

Tuliving is now bidding (he will PAY) $3/oz over spot for silver eagles. That’s a 22% premium over the spot price. He is wiped out of everything expect mint sealed boxes of silver eagle, 1000 oz. bars at 79cents/oz. ($790 for the bar over spot), and 40% junk silver coins at 69cents/oz. over spot. I wonder if Goldman and JPM know how to spell “silver shortage.”

***

Okay, some clarification. One, I did not feel sorry for Gross, the guy is an idiot.

Two, my admiration was for his building of an amazingly profitable business. Three, I was unaware of his shorting of gold stocks…so see point one above - another idiot comes out of the closet in full bloom. One foot in, one foot out, now fully “exposed” for the low life he is…

How does that play????

Adrian from Midas

In the September 19 session on the TOCOM Goldman Sachs COVERED 888 short contracts and bought 204 long contracts to bring their long position to 1,116 contracts and their net short position to 1,845 contracts. This is the lowest net short position that Goldman Sachs has ever held in the 33 months that I have been keeping data. It beats their previous record net short low record by 825 contracts (9/8/2008). There can be no doubt that Goldman wants to be on the LONG side of gold and has been working toward this objective for 2 ¾ years. Knowing how well GS is connected and being the head honcho of the Gold Cartel their position on TOCOM strongly indicates a gold price explosion is imminent. It should be noted that GS predicted recently that gold would fall to $740 and advised its clients to sell; this was while they themselves covered their short positions on the TOCOM at an accelerated rate!

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Cheers
Adrian…

Putin wants a new Monetary System

Russian Putin calls for changing the architecture of the international financial system

“The whole world economy cannot depend on one money-printing machine”

SOCHI, September 20 (Itar-Tass) — Prime Minister Vladimir Putin called for changing the architecture of the international financial system.

“We all need to think about changing the architecture of international finances and diversifying risks. The whole world economy cannot depend on one money-printing machine,” Putin said at the final press conference after a meeting of the Russian-French bilateral commission on cooperation in Sochi on Saturday.

“This is a very serious issue that should be addressed in a calm, attentive and working manner without haste together with our colleagues from Europe and America,” Putin said. “This issue should be considered not in a confrontation-like way but very benevolently in order to find the most acceptable ways for the development of the world economy and world finances.”..

www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=13094201&PageNum=0

Europeans Not Ompressed with U S Bailout

Europeans on left and right ridicule U.S. money meltdown

They list greed and Greenspan among the culprits, and there are comparisons to . . . Albania. But amid the gloating, there is fear for financial systems in Britain, Spain, Italy and elsewhere.

By Sebastian Rotella and Janet Stobart
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

September 20, 2008

LONDON —It’s a rare day when finance officials, leftist intellectuals and ordinary salespeople can agree on something. But the economic meltdown that wrought its wrath from Rome to Madrid to Berlin this week brought Europeans together in a harsh chorus of condemnation of the excess and disarray on Wall Street.

The finance minister of Italy’s conservative and pro-U.S. government warned of nothing less than a systemic breakdown. Giulio Tremonti excoriated the “voracious selfishness” of speculators and “stupid sluggishness” of regulators. And he singled out Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, with startling scorn.

“Greenspan was considered a master,” Tremonti declared. “Now we must ask ourselves whether he is not, after [Osama] bin Laden, the man who hurt America the most. . . . It is clear that what is happening is a disease. It is not the failure of a bank, but the failure of a system. Until a few days ago, very few were willing to realize thei ntensity and the dramatic nature of the crisis.”

In an interview Thursday in the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera,Tremonti drew a comparison to corruption-ridden Albania in 1997, when a nationwide pyramid scheme cost hundreds of thousands of people their savings and ignited anarchic civil conflict.

“The system is collapsing, exactly like the Albanian pyramids collapsed,” Tremonti said. “The idea is gaining ground that the way out of the crisis is mainly with large public investments. . . . The return of rules is accompanied by a return of the public sector.”

On the other end of the political spectrum, among leftists who have long predicted calamity for what they call the “savage neoliberal capitalism” of Wall Street, there were gleeful allusions to the stock market crash of 1929.

“Between the dread of a world in the midst of collapsing and the shiver of pleasure that finally something serious is happening to the kingdom of liberalism, how to orient oneself?” Eric Aeschimann wrote Thursday in the newspaper Liberation, a voice of French intellectuals whose disdain for capitalism persists in the 21st century…

www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-euromood20-2008sep20,0,7535469.story

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@ onthebeach…

There was a good spot on the PBS program ‘NOW’ that covers the
arrest of Amy Goodman of ‘Democracy Now” while covering the
Republirats at their feeding frenzy.
link :
www.pbs.org/now/shows/435/video-seg2.html
It’s worth a watch if you are ready for yet another queasy, cold feeling in your gut
that is really unresolved anger.

Fullgoldcrown

yes I am, little google helps me to research what i thought about PG 13…

and a little beep for all comes around in my “homeland”

But to “know”, what happens ” really” and in the greater perspective, i had to read many on english. Thanks to all bugs of the tent for the great work, to see here so many good thinking and linking to relevant  themes.

goodnight,  and see you in this theatre soon…

Sckpak…maybe this guy would listen to your idea

Key Senate Republican says opposes Treasury plan [JBQWDZX]

WASHINGTON, Sept 22 (Reuters) - The top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee on Monday called for the quick consideration of alternatives to the U.S. Treasury Department’s plan to buy up distressed assets, saying he worried the proposal was “neither workable nor comprehensive.”

“I am concerned that Treasury’s proposal is neither workable nor comprehensive,” Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby said in a statement. “In my judgment, it would be foolish to waste massive sums of taxpayer funds testing an idea that has been hastily crafted, and may actually cause the government to revert to an inadequate strategy of ad hoc bailouts.

“I believe Congress must immediately undertake a comprehensive, public examination of the problem and alternative solutions rather than swiftly pass the current plan with minimal changes or discussion,” he said

onthebeach (22:09) I have seen it so often on United States TV, which

we can access daily in Canada, that there seems to be an over-consumption problem amongst law-enforcers in the U.S. of A.  What is going on here  about belly-size job qualification in the clip you showed, as reproduced below?   Here’s to more modest diets in keeping with  available daily food budgets, without your country having to borrow  more from the Chinese and Japanese  to buy more U.S. treasuries to help finance  the American way of life !    Or is there something attractive about fat bellies on persons of responsibility ?    Cheers.  Equiz.

http://tinyurl.com/4cuc87

Wall St Journal Pro Gold article

By Andrea Hotter and Matt Whittaker
The Wall Street Journal
Monday, September 22, 2008

Central banks may be starting to turn to one of the few assets in which they can invest: gold.

Turbulence in the financial markets and recent U.S. dollar weakness are helping the precious metal claw back its reputation as the central monetary anchor within the international monetary framework, industry participants say.

This is a marked change from a decade ago, when 14 European central banks decided to reduce their gold holdings in an orderly fashion. They signed a pact to sell no more than an agreed sum between them each year. In addition, the United States, the Bank for International Settlements and the International Monetary Fund adhere to the pact informally.

But the amount sold has been dwindling of late, and banks are now far more likely to be holders of gold, analysts note. Non-signatories — and especially Asian banks — are seen as keen buyers.

“I’d be surprised if the Chinese hadn’t been nibbling at the gold market when prices were lower,” said Mark O’Byrne, Dublin-based director of Gold & Silver Investments Ltd.

Chinese officials have already said they view gold as a strategic asset and would like to diversify their foreign-exchange reserves away from the dollar. China holds just 1% of its reserves in gold, World Gold Council data show, equivalent to roughly 600 metric tons. Even so, it is the ninth-largest official holder of gold.

The U.S. is at the top of the list of official holders. It holds 78.2% of its reserves in gold, which is about 8,133.5 tons of gold.

There is debate on how much, if any, central-bank buying was done last week, when gold saw a record single-day gain Wednesday and posted another outsized rise Thursday before pulling back Friday. For the week, thinly traded nearby September gold on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange jumped $100.30, or 13%, to settle at $860.60 an ounce. Most-active December also gained 13% on the week, to $864.70.

“We could not see a footprint from a central bank,” said Jon Nadler, an analyst at Kitco Bullion Dealers in Montreal. The Swiss central bank doesn’t appear to have been buying back what it recently sold, he said.

But investors bought for much of the week as they searched for a refuge from financial-market turmoil. Friday’s decline came as the U.S. government worked on a plan to take over troubled financial assets.

But even central banks that signed on to the sales program are starting to publicly state the value of gold in their portfolios.

The Austrian central bank said in a recent report that the surge in gold prices and “the concomitant depreciation of the U.S. dollar over the past few years have shown clearly how important gold is as an instrument for portfolio diversification for a central bank.”

Germany’s Bundesbank, the world’s second-largest official holder of gold with 3,417.4 tons, or 66.3% of its reserves, has indicated it is more willing to hold or buy gold than before.