Constituents Make Their Bailout Views Known

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Published: September 24, 2008

WASHINGTON — Americans’ anger is in full bloom, jumping off the screen in capital letters and exclamation points, in the e-mail in-boxes of elected representatives in the nation’s capital.

“I am hoping Congress can find the backbone to stand on their feet and not their knees before BIG BUSINESS,” one correspondent wrote to Representative Jim McDermott of Washington.

“I’d rather leave a better world to my children — NOT A BANKRUPT NATION. Whew! Pardon my shouting,” wrote another.

Mr. McDermott is a liberal Democrat, but his e-mail messages look a lot like the ones that Representative Candice S. Miller, a conservative Republican from Michigan, is receiving. “NO BAILOUT, I am a registered republican,” one constituent wrote. “I will vote and campaign hard against you if we have to subsidize the very people that have sold out MY COUNTRY.”

The backlash, in phone calls as well as e-mail messages, is putting lawmakers in a quandary as they weigh what many regard as the most consequential decision of their careers: whether to agree to President Bush’s request to spend an estimated $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue the financial services system.

Around the country, Republican and Democratic voters are rising up in outright opposition to the White House plan or, at the very least, to express concern that it is being pushed through Congress in haste.

Lawmakers, in turn, are agonizing over what to do. Mrs. Miller said she had been “trying to be very deliberative about it,” listening to administration officials like Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., consulting with bankers from her district and independent experts. She sounded torn Wednesday, saying she was looking for guidance from Republican leaders and hoping they would come together with their Democratic counterparts on a bipartisan plan.

“I would say it’s the most concerned I’ve been since I’ve been in Congress,” said the congresswoman, a former Michigan secretary of state who won her House seat in 2002. “I appreciate all of the input that I’m getting from my constituents, but I’m just not reacting to that — I can’t until I understand it better and feel comfortable with my vote. And I’m not sure how I’m going to be voting yet.”

Meanwhile, the complaints keep coming, and several Congressional offices agreed to share them with reporters, though only on condition that the senders’ names not be published, for privacy reasons.

Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, has received nearly 17,000 e-mail messages, nearly all opposed to the bailout, her office said. More than 2,000 constituents called Ms. Boxer’s California office on Tuesday alone; just 40 favored the bailout. Her Washington office received 918 calls. Just one supported the rescue plan.

Senator Sherrod Brown, Democrat of Ohio, said he had been getting 2,000 e-mail messages and telephone calls a day, roughly 95 percent opposed. When Senator Bernard Sanders, the Vermont independent who votes with Democrats, posted a petition on his Web site asking Mr. Paulson to require that taxpayers receive an equity stake in the bailed-out companies, more than 20,000 people signed.

“We certainly have never brought in 20,000 names in a day and a half,” Mr. Sanders said, sounding astonished. “For us, that’s off the wall.”

It is much the same on the Republican side. Aides to Senator Jim Bunning, a Kentucky Republican who has called the bailout plan “un-American,” said the senator had received more constituent reaction to the bailout plan than to any issue since the immigration debate.

Representative Ray LaHood, Republican of Illinois, said he had not seen such an outpouring since President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial in 1999.

Constituent communications, of course, are no shock to lawmakers, especially since the age of e-mail messages and automated “robo-calls” make it possible for voters to vent en masse. But members of Congress say reaction to the bailout does not appear orchestrated or coordinated, but rather individual expressions that come from the grass roots and run across the philosophical spectrum.

War opponents, for instance, are telling lawmakers that they are tired of an administration that, in Mr. McDermott’s words, has “cried wolf” and played “the fear card” too many times by leading the nation into war in Iraq to find nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and curbing civil rights in the name of pursuing terrorists.

“The last time that Congress hurriedly passed legislation that the administration presented as ‘urgent’ we got the Patriot Act, with its mix of necessary reforms and onerous civil rights abuses,” one of Senator Brown’s constituents wrote. “Do not fall into this trap again.”

Others, invoking the Bush administration’s efforts to expand executive authority, are irate over the idea that one person — Mr. Paulson, and then his successor — would control so much taxpayer money. “So many people have said to me, ‘This is a democracy; this isn’t a dictatorship,’ ” Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota, said.

Fiscal conservatives, on the other hand, see the White House abandoning core principles, marching down a treacherous road toward government intervention in the markets. “We are turning into a socialist country,” one voter warned an aide to Senator Pete V. Domenici, Republican of New Mexico. “Let the markets work.”

But in the end, from the right or the left, lawmakers say the message is the same: Slow down, catch your breath and do not make any rash decisions, no matter what the White House says.

“This is too serious a problem for the administration to expect us to just rubber-stamp a $700 billion proposal and rush to get out of town,” said Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine. “That’s something my constituents definitely won’t tolerate.”

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cannuckgold and …. GOLD BALLOON

Why, it’s a mad hatters tea party.

And for you toltec gold balloon I have this :

“There is no use trying” said Alice: “one can’t believe impossible things.”
“I dare say you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your
age, I always did it for half an hour a day.
Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
Lewis Carroll.

Ron Paul on FoxNews on the 24th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB-OhTfplYE

cannuckgold @ 22:52 pm

UP is DOWN

DOWN is UP

EAST is WEST

WEST is EAST

GOOD is BAD

BAD is GOOD 

Can some one ’splain to me how this works…

If there is a whiff of a shortage of oil or gas, the prices skyrocket overnight.  Shortages in gas caused gas prices to soar 15 - 20% overnight…..

Gold and silver have been in short supply for weeks now and it is getting worse, and the price keeps falling???

Colorado Gold Site

—  Gold (spot) $879.50  

No Credit Suisse, nor Buffalos for a couple of weeks

With a record number of people wanting to get into gold and silver, our lines are constantly busy, and there is nothing we can do about it.  Sorry!

Gold coin sales halted after retail rush

By Javier Blas in London

Published: September 25 2008 23:03 | Last updated: September 25 2008 23:03

The rush by retail investors into gold on Thursday forced the US government to “temporarily” suspend the sales of the popular American Buffalo one-ounce bullion coin after depleting its inventories.

The shortage of gold coins is the latest sign of investors seeking a safe haven into bullion amid Wall Street woes. Gold prices this week surged above $900 an ounce, up about 20 per cent from its level before the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

Safe-haven buying spurred by a weakening dollar and rising inflation on the back of high commodity prices have also benefited gold sales, analyst said.

The US Mint said in a memorandum that “demand has exceeded supply” and, therefore, it was “temporarily suspending sales of these coins”. “We are working ­diligently to build up our inventory and hope to resume sales shortly,” it added.

Spot gold in New York on Thursday traded at $875 an ounce, down $5 on the day. Traders said bullion prices came under pressure from a strengthening in the dollar. Gold set a record of $1,030.80 an ounce in March.

The US Mint said it has sold 164,000 ounces of gold in American Buffalo one-ounce bullion coins since January, almost 54 per cent more than in the same period of last year. Demand for other gold coins from the US Mint is also very strong.

Last August, a shortage of American Eagles one-ounce bullion coins, another popular gold investment, due to “unprecedented demand” also forced the US Mint to suspend sales and later to place limits on the number it ships to dealers.

The US Mint has sold since last January about 419,500 ounces of bullion in the form of American Eagles coins, more than double the 198,500 ounces it sold during the whole 2007. In 2006, it sold 261,000 ounces.

The scarcity of gold coins comes as investors in bullion-backed exchange traded funds (ETFs) have amassed a record 1,054 tonnes of bullion, becoming the largest holders of gold after the reserves of the US, Germany, the International Monetary Fund, Italy, France and Switzerland.

Jim Rogers Calls Paulson’s Plan `Welfare for the Rich’

http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=av&T=Jim%20Rogers%20Calls%20Paulson’s%20Plan%20%60Welfare%20for%20the%20Rich’&clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vbGb5KNYrBKo.asf

If you have  8  minutes - listen to this!

Gold just went back in time to the pre $90 up day

The WAMU news broke-gold went up $8-and has faded–DOW futures are down 130 too—-if gold doesn’t have a big day tomorrow, then it’s not going over $900 no matter ehat-as always I hope I’m wrong.

Midas

SEPTEMBER 25, 2008
CFTC Relents and Probes Silver Market
Persistent Complaints of Foul Play Draw the Still-Skeptical Agency to Investigate
By CAROLYN CUI

With silver prices falling this past summer, silver bugs world-wide set out to prove that their metal was in short supply and market manipulation was at work. They bombarded federal regulators with hundreds of emails crying foul play and demanded answers.

Though such pleas proved futile in the past, this time the rousing chorus grabbed regulators’ attention. On Wednesday, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission confirmed that there’s an investigation into the silver market.

The CFTC isn’t yet convinced there’s systemic wrongdoing and in May published a report saying as much. But the agency decided to take a fresh look, in part to show critics that it checks out complaints, and also to make sure there isn’t something new to uncover.

“We take the threat of manipulation in the futures and options markets very seriously and employ a number of measures to prevent, identify and prosecute it,” said Stephen Obie, acting director of the agency’s division of enforcement.

Silver investors have argued that a handful of U.S. banks have been controlling a large portion of silver’s short positions — or bets that prices will decline — on Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. Official data from the CFTC showed that two U.S. banks had increased short positions in the silver futures market between July and August by 450% and controlled 25% of the total open interest.

“The proof that this selloff was criminal lies in public data,” wrote Theodore Butler of Cape Elizabeth, Maine, in August in a silver newsletter. “The concentrated sale of such quantities in such a short time” caused silver’s fall, wrote Mr. Butler, who for many years has been vocal about purported silver-market manipulation. In September he reiterated to readers that they should email the CFTC.

The CFTC had argued in May that the large banks that people assailed for manipulating the market were instead acting appropriately as market makers, who take on futures positions to offset their exposure in over-the-counter markets. Therefore, these traders aren’t “naked shorts” and won’t benefit from long-term depressed silver prices. Many analysts agree with the agency’s conclusion.

Silver stalwarts weren’t persuaded. Jason Hommel, a newsletter writer based in Penn Valley, Calif., directed readers to visit their local coin shops at 2 p.m. on Sept. 2 to size up for themselves whether there was a silver shortage. From Michigan to North Carolina and beyond, he says, investors trekked to coin shops. Many reported no silver for sale.

Bart Chilton, one of the CFTC commissioners, said he has received about 700 emails from silver investors since August, far more than the estimated 100 he received from May to July. Mr. Chilton, a Democrat who has criticized the CFTC as doing a poor job communicating with consumers, says he has spent nights and weekends personally answering emails.

Historically, silver has been a volatile market. This year it saw a near-50% drop and remains down 9.5% on the year. Gold is up 6.5%. The agency has long heard from frustrated silver investors. In 2004, it published an open letter by Michael Gorham, then the agency’s director of market oversight, after receiving more than 500 letters and emails from silver investors.

That the enforcement rather than oversight division is taking on the issue marks a difference from the CFTC’s previous efforts regarding the silver market. The oversight division performs overall market surveillance. The enforcement division looks at activities in a specific time period.

Write to Carolyn Cui at carolyn.cui@wsj.com

-END-

Congrats to Ted Butler and Jason Hommel for all their hard work and efforts to effect this investigation. On that note, this guy Chilton seems to be far and away a more stand up guy than the rest of the sycophants the CFTC has had over the years. I say that by the way he has dealt with Café members via email … and the tone of those emails. Just ONE example

Ment/Buygold

They better have clarity, they invented the paper system 11 centuries ago..  LOL

“910 AD -China experiments with paper money - It takes several hundred years but the system is abandoned due to unacceptable levels of inflation as money printing exceeded production.”

FED financial house is burning detector

smokedetector.jpg

Okay, the inmates are loose and running wild…bail-out deal is sidetracked by

Republicans (God bless ‘em!!); WaMu goes under w/assets acquired by JP Morgan (did I read that right???)…more implosions on their way…holy cow, could this be IT?? Is the snowball gaining such momentum that it will knock the whole system down, despite the shenanigans in DC? The other countries, particularly in Europe, have not even begun to deal with similar problems…

yet gold just sits there…duh

FDIC May Need $150 Billion Bailout as More Banks Fail

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=amZxIbcjZISU