Zimbabwe

Whenever I hear the term hyperinflationary depression I think of Zimbabwe. I see that there have been posts tonight about Zimbabwe. What is the consensus? Isn’t this a valid example of what a hyperinflationary depression looks like? They have massive unemployment alongside vast monetary expansion and runaway currency inflation. ????

folks what in the hecks wrong with the word stagflation

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sckpak and all

I am very happy to read your posts and to have someone of such caliber on board.

There is one thing that I have wanted to vent about for a long time. This is the use of the figure $850 for the high in 1980 gold when figuring where gold will go. It appears in every calculation and in every “inflation-adjusted” graph, and in every discussion. My contention is that this figure is totally irrevelant and should be dropped, since it was reached for maybe a minute before the price fell off a cliff. Who was the one person that bought at that price? Who sold? Interesting but irrelevant, and the use of this figure is misleading and could cause damage.

Sir, I would like to hear your response and thank you in advance. 

silverffox52 @ 22:04 pm

A collapsing currency would lead to hyperinflation typically.  Money supply would go up [typically the cause of the collapse in confidence for the particualr currency] and the velocity of that money would increase as everyone spent it real fast or exchanged it for hard currencies.  That scenario is all relative to some other stable currencies and has never involved the reserve currency as far as I know.  That’s just my thoughts out loud, no expert here.

Silverfox .good point …SOEE you say

“All currencies are being competitively depreciated together so there doesn’t seem to be anything to hyperinflate relative too ”

The Currencies will all drop in value relative to real things….BECAUSE none have gold backing

CDNX in the Inverse ?

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Gold vs Real Estate 3 year chart

……….looks like the $Gold Chart looking into the near future (hopefully)

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“hyperinflation”

watering down the Kool Aid  .. The Fed’s favorite drink!

Soee

Why wouldn’t just the collapsing value of the  currency cause the hyperinflation ?

Hi Dusty @ 20:59 pm

This hyperinflationary depression concept is very confusing.  Depression to me is associated with deflation, severe recessions, a reduction in money supply (and/or its velocity) after a credit driven boom, too much debt, cash hoarding, liquidity trap, GDPs shrink, etc. - basically its the alternative to hyperinflation.  I think I understand hyperinflation, but I don’t see how it plays out with the current situation.  First, no currency is gold backed today.  All currencies are being competitively depreciated together so there doesn’t seem to be anything to hyperinflate relative too (except gold itself) - right now there is no “stable” currency to really turn to.  We have massive increases in money supplies across the globe, but the velocity of money seems to be going down, not up as required by hyperinflation.  Today this is a global phenomenon and at the root of it is the reserve currency.   I agree with what you said about the money needs to get into the people’s hands for hyperinflation to take off - wages need to rapidly increase, extreme consumption would be present, prices and interest rates would fly.  I don’t understand how when the whole world hyperinflates all at once, how this creates a hyperinflationary depression.  Whatever the outcome, it will be different then what has happened in the past IMO {due to extreme globalism, reserve currency status, no gold back or stable currencies, etc}.

Grin reaper @ “Hang In there” wave “3″ could be a doozy..

How many will be riding it? ..

“will pay the butcher , the baker , the candlestick maker ..” (Ment)

Joe The Plumber?  .. burmashavenewwave.png

(more Ment) “we are almost there .. look to see a double in price .. on some fine day..

and the hui stocks .. 25 inch water main trying to get into 1/2 inch water hose .. those who sell will be missing the move of a life time in my opinion// gold stocks down is a big yawn from the ment .. as it is orchestrated by powerful forces and ding bat traders .. trying to gotcha .. settle back .. watch the slow burn .. front seats ..

no margin.. those who believe ment had his head handed to him.. have not a clue .. and are smoking the same paper tiger ..”

buy a 1/3 .. Yadda/Yadda

Govt Domestic Debt Up 1,3 Million %In Three Weeks


Friday, 24 October 2008 10:49
ZIMBABWE’S domestic debt rose 1,3 million % inside three weeks to $1
trillion on August 8 from $79,6 million recorded on July 15, official
figures revealed this week.

The rise in government domestic debt levels, which is now being kept
secret by the Reserve Bank, was sparked by huge interest payments which
account for $822 billion of the total debt.
The debt has been ballooning because of the Reserve Bank’s advances to
government, largely for the March 29 and June 27 presidential elections,
agricultural mechanisation programme and food imports.
“The stock of government domestic debt by mid July stood at $1,064
trillion, reflecting an increase of 1,3 million from $79,6 million,
according to official figures obtained from the Reserve Bank on Wednesday.
With government’s continued reliance on borrowing from the local
market, domestic debt is estimated to be nearing $100 trillion.
The mismatch between fiscal revenues and expenditures also opened a
significant funding gap resulting in government utilising the overdraft
window at the Reserve Bank, while at the same time borrowing from the
domestic debt.
According to the Reserve Bank, as of July 31 cumulatively, since the
beginning of the year government raised 365-day treasury bills amounting to
$$21,1 of which 995 or $21 million was raised between April and July.
The RBZ advances to government have over the past five years accounted
for about 80% of total debt, a situation bank economists say is evidence
that government was broke and had no other source of revenue other than the
domestic market.
Figures from the RBZ show that the solvency of government was already
seriously compromised with the current interest rates, and technically
government finances will not be better off with even a 1% rise in interest
rates.
The increasing government debt stock raised fresh fears of renewed
turbulence in the crisis-strapped economy, battling with high inflation
currently at 231 million %.
The surge in domestic debt was the result of high interests on the
market which were in line with the inflation rate.
Government has also been forced to rely on domestic borrowings because
their tax revenue base has dwindled because of company closures which have
led to retrenchments. This means that in real terms, the government is
collecting less revenue through corporate and income tax.
During the last monetary policy in July, Gono said the Reserve Bank
had remained the major holder of government domestic debt at 95% of the
total amount.
Analysts say the debt stock was likely to rise further on increased
borrowing by government to finance the import of wheat and maize,
electricity, civil servants’ salaries and sustain the Basic Commodities
Supply Side Intervention (Baccosi).
“Commercial banks accounted for about 99% of the monetary banking
sector’s holding of domestic debt. This is attributed mainly to banks’
active participation in Open Market Operations,” said the Reserve Bank.
The major effects of rising government debt would be an escalation of
the inflationary rate because of increased recourse to the domestic market
for funding.
With inflation at 231 million % government’s huge appetite for cash is
also likely to spur increased money printing, pushing money supply growth
upwards.
The fact that Zimbabwe has no access to international capital has only
aggravated the situation.
“The figure has a huge bearing on the returns that investors will be
getting from the money market. The money market is bound to continue issuing
investors with negative returns in the short-term to minimise the harmful
effects of the huge interest cost component on the debt figure,” an
economist with the central bank told businessdigest.
Meanwhile the Reserve Bank has kept the lid on the money supply (M3)
figures. The official figure to date is 420 867,4% for April. Economic
analysts this week said the figure could be nearing 150 million % after Gono
introduced 21 new denomination notes this year alone.
Annual broad money supply growth has maintained an upward trend since
November 2003 reflecting the inevitable Reserve Bank’s intervention to
stimulate the supply side of the economy in the absence of external support.
Official figures from the Reserve Bank show that on an annual basis
domestic credit grew by 482 460,9% for April, largely driven by growth in
credit to the private sector - 412 919,7%, credit to government - 734
013,7%, and claims on public enterprises - 216 066,7%. The Reserve
Bank has published the latest figures.
Credit to government has largely been from domestic banks because of
the drying up of external lines. Lenders in the domestic market no longer
have the capacity to meet the needs of government.

By Paul Nyakazeya

Banks Loop Off Six Zeroes

 Hyper-inflationary depression?

http://www.radiovop.com

HARARE, October 24, 2008 - ZIMBABWEAN banks have started looping off
six zeroes from the currency to accommodate the growing number of digits
amid revelations the central banking is working of new reforms in the
banking sector.

Banking industry sources said on Friday Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe
(RBZ), Gideon Gono, would next week make an official announcement on new
reforms in the sector, among them an increase in the current daily cash
withdrawals and cheque limits.

Stanbic Bank, one of the 14 commercial banks operating in the country,
on Friday put our a circular informing its customers that with effect from
Monday next week, it would remove six zeroes from all accounts.

“With effect from 27 October, 2008 account balances with the bank will
be re-dominated with figures rounded off to the nearest 1, 000, 000 as a
work around solution,” read part of Stanbic Bank circular given to customers
as they queued to withdraw Zd 50 000, the daily cash limit.

Speculation in the banking swelled that Gono would most probably hike
the daily cash limit from Z$50 000 to $500 000 for individuals. The current
limit of $50 000 is not enough to buy a single loaf of bread. The central
bank has loop-off zeroes from the country’s currency two times since August
2006.

Scpak….thanks for the Bio

How many Keynsians escape from the Dark Side to the Austrian Force !

Looking forward to your next instalment..

Got some reading to do….from 2002 :)

Fullgoldcrown @ $GOLD:OIL

been a while since I had My Crayola’s out.. Kinda “Messy”…but here…goldoil102408.png