So…….we fix the price of GOLD and let the whirrled wander…

London Gold Fixing

The price of gold is fixed twice daily in London by the five members of the London gold pool, all members of the London Bullion Market Association. The fixes start at 10.30 a.m., and 3.00 p.m. London time. The length of time taken to reach an agreed fixing price can vary.
Nowadays it is often reached in minutes, but we have known in take several hours on at least one occasion.
There are a number of common misconceptions about the London gold fix.

Three Currencies
Many people, including most of the media, are under the impression that the gold price is fixed in US dollars.

It is actually fixed in pounds sterling (GBP), and Euros also, although the Euro pricing is fairly new.

Media - Take Note

Whenever you see a gold fix price quoted, it will almost always be in dollars.

This applies even in the UK. Most people in the UK who need to know a gold price, need it because they have bought or sold some gold at some predetermined price dependent on that particular fixing price. Naturally because they are in the UK, they wish to know the price in sterling. It is quite frustrating for many of these people to see a price quoted in a newspaper, of more commonly on Ceefax or Teletext, which is quoted in dollars. We have actually been telling the BBC’s Ceefax department about this for years, and suggesting that they give the quotes in sterling and dollars , but they originally said there was insufficient space on the screen, which was incorrect, they would think about it (they appear to still be thinking). We have given up trying to advise them.

Not A Fixed Price

The other common error is for people to think the gold fix price is a fixed price, as in today’s price or this morning’s price, and that all gold transactions for the whole morning, afternoon or day, are carried out at the fixing price. This is not true. The fix price is the price at the exact instant in time at which it is agreed.

Within seconds it will be trading at different prices.

Amateurs, and also many who should know better, may then wonder what is the point, and why it is called a fixing price. The simple answer is that the five members use it to establish a market price which is fixed only for that precise moment, at which they can balance their sales and purchase requirements, including orders and commissions from clients.

We ourselves often use the London gold fixing as a basis for our transactions with other professionals. We are also happy to do this with private individuals, but we find most people are happier for us to quote them a current “spot” price for gold.

When we deal on the basis of a London fix, it will always be a future fix, often the next one, but not necessarily. We will agree to buy, or sell as the case may be, a fixed amount of gold in the form of bars, Krugerrands, sovereigns, or other gold bullion formats, at either a percentage or a fixed amount relative to the fix. Neither party knows what the actual striking price will be, but this is usually not a problem. It is also possible to place a conditional order, for example to buy 500 ounces at the next fix, subject to a limit, so that if the fix is above a certain level the transaction will not be concluded. The concept of dealing at an unknown price may seem strange to some, but for most gold professionals, any plusses and minuses usually average out over a period period of time. It saves much time which would be wasted in haggling about two different views of the market.

Closed
The London Gold Market closed in 1939, and re-opened on 22nd March 1954.

London gold fix prices can be found on the site of the LBMA, the London Bullion Market Association.

TQ

Thank you for your insight, your wisdom and the gentle way that you express yourself.

Could you please tell us what you really mean by or what you see happening…..

“My guess is that Armstrong’s March turn date will give us the answer. Until then we have little time to prepare.”

maya

ya really gotta admit, that springer front end and horn really set it apart{G}.

rno

Maya @ 22:43 pm

I don’t think that horn is up to NTSB standards…

good ta examples

the australian and new zealand dollar have good examples of making an rpw, stopped out, second attempt with the second attempt also a head of a head and shoulder bottom.

rno

Buygold……notice the author says Time to be a Goldbug..BUT

..He states he doesnt recomend holding Physical………….so I guess he means time to be a Fool’s Goldbug…………buy GDX and GLD………..

redneckokie1 @ 21:00 pm

My redneck friend couldn’t afford a car, so he built a redneck ‘cycle.  <G>

redneckharley.jpeg

Sinbad

Actually nearly all the information about candlestick technique is free on the web. This is just one site - there are others. You might work these first to see if there is any benefit for you.

stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:chart_analysis:introduction_to_candlesticks

aurum candlesticks

TQ (20:40), redneckokie (21:00), Ike (21:45, 22:15) Off-topic from PMs.

Thank you for your useful comments on autos for moving one’s body around.  I guess my posted question at  20:36 was misinterpreted.  I have no interest whatever in parting with my present 2002 Neon Chrysler on which the odometer is currently at only 48,000 miles (about 78,000 km), so I am not interested in shopping hints for a replacement vehicle for quite some time yet.  I expect to own this vehicle beyond 10 years from its time of purchase.  

 My question at 20:36 was to Ororeef, wondering what his criteria were for optimal number of years  for holding a vehicle , considering warranty, depreciation, and repair costs after expiry of warranty .  I put the question to Ororeef because, if I understood his posting correctly, he had gone through 7 vehicles in 11 years, which didnt seem to fit with my reckoning that at least 10 years is the economically best duration for holding a vehicle that one has bought.  Thanks for your interest.  Equiz.

Why it’s time to be a Goldbug now

  Another opinion - with T/A and F/A

http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/opt/081109/opt_20413.html?.v=1

Deadeye

  I’m with Floridagold, alot of elation in the overseas markets has turned into depression by morning. $750 is a brick wall for now and the dollar appears to be gaining a little strength already tonight.

  Looks like more of the same from here.

Sinbad

You are exactly right there. The most important lesson for young (and old investors) is money management. Don’t let a position get too far down - even if you sell and it turns up to the sky the next day you still made the right decision. You have money for next time.

aurum

2002 Neon

Thumbnail Vehicle Title Price Odometer City
2002 Chrysler Neon LE Pictures 2002 Chrysler Neon LE
Renner’s Auto Sales $4,995 104,020 KM CAMBRIDGE, ON
2002 Chrysler Neon Pictures 2002 Chrysler Neon
Fine Motors of London $5,495 85,000 KM LONDON, ON
2002 Chrysler Neon Cloth Pictures 2002 Chrysler Neon Cloth
Orangeville Car Sales & Leasing $6,895 122,263 KM ORANGEVILLE, ON

aurum and TQ: re-candlesticks-thanks for recommendations. It’s around $60 on Amazon.

I am not looking for one indicator for all occasions and am aware of the limitations. I do not have any unreasonable expectations of a “magic indicator”. I am trying to fit all the pieces together and wish I had begun my education years ago-before I made and lost my first million. If I can offer any advice to the younger readers of the tent, it would be to respect money and learn to understand it. It becomes so much more difficult to replace that which is lost as our time becomes shorter and beware of desperation to regain it as that will only lead to ruin. The cowboy approach to investing too often ends in disaster. So, I wait on the sidelines until I feel I know enough to wade back in. I appreciate more and more what is of real value in this life-and it’s not money, but that’s a philosophical debate of no use here.

Onthebeach……….nice credentials there

…..However that makes it even more surprising that you posted …Paraphrasing…. “Blacks and others of Low IQ were Obamas greatest supporters” ………Perhaps you didnt intend to sound racist with those remarks………..but at the very least the posts were very insensitive……..and similar posts will not be tolerated in the future………..There are many other places out there in cyberspace that would welcome those comments……but not here !

Please dont come back in here and try to defend the indefensible……….you screwed up….now accept that and get back to posting more sensibly…..or go where you are appreciated….we do not censor posts and posters lightly here…..and the fact that you are back at all attests to that !

Sheesh……and please no more personal e mails attacking the Admin…Think of it like Baseball…there are rules and there are Umpires…..and if you Abuse the Umpire……you are thrown out of the game !

Sheesh !