mainland? Quite a deal you got on that gold. Gold dealer - not so smart! Maya = very smart!

Proposed fee on smelly cows, hogs angers farmers

By BOB JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer Bob Johnson, Associated Press Writer – Fri Dec 5, 4:43 am ET

AP – These Montgomery, Ala., cows seem unaware of a proposal Thursday, Dec. 4, 2008 by the Environmental …

MONTGOMERY, Ala. – For farmers, this stinks: Belching and gaseous cows and hogs could start costing them money if a federal proposal to charge fees for air-polluting animals becomes law.

Farmers so far are turning their noses up at the notion, which is one of several put forward by the Environmental Protection Agency after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that greenhouse gases emitted by belching and flatulence amounts to air pollution.

“This is one of the most ridiculous things the federal government has tried to do,” said Alabama Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks, an outspoken opponent of the proposal.

It would require farms or ranches with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs to pay an annual fee of about $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog.

The executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, Ken Hamilton, estimated the fee would cost owners of a modest-sized cattle ranch $30,000 to $40,000 a year. He said he has talked to a number of livestock owners about the proposals, and “all have said if the fees were carried out, it would bankrupt them.”

Sparks said Wednesday he’s worried the fee could be extended to chickens and other farm animals and cause more meat to be imported.

“We’ll let other countries put food on our tables like they are putting gas in our cars. Other countries don’t have the health standards we have,” Sparks said.

EPA spokesman Nick Butterfield said the fee was proposed for farms with livestock operations that emit more than 100 tons of carbon emissions in a year and fall under federal Clean Air Act provisions.

Butterfield said the EPA has not taken a position on any of the proposals. But farmers from across the country have expressed outrage over the idea, both on Internet sites and in opinions sent to EPA during a public comment period that ended last week.

“It’s something that really has a very big potential adverse impact for the livestock industry,” said Rick Krause, the senior director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau Federation.

The fee would cover the cost of a permit for the livestock operations. While farmers say it would drive them out of business, an organization supporting the proposal hopes it forces the farms and ranches to switch to healthier crops.

“It makes perfect sense if you are looking for ways to cut down on meat consumption and recoup environmental losses,” said Bruce Friedrich, a spokesman in Washington for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

“We certainly support making factory farms pay their fair share,” he said.

U.S. Rep. Robert Aderholt, a Republican from Haleyville in northwest Alabama, said he has spoken with EPA officials and doesn’t believe the cow tax is a serious proposal that will ever be adopted by the agency.

“Who comes up with this kind of stuff?” said Perry Mobley, director of the Alabama Farmers Federation’s beef division. “It seems there is an ulterior motive, to destroy livestock farms. This would certainly put them out of business.”

Butterfield said the EPA is reviewing the public comments and didn’t have a timetable for the next steps

My kinda place… was raised on a beach…….. winter boooooo!! nite all.

remember

buymore

The ‘where’ is physical, and the ‘when’ was Last Year!!  What did ‘Another’ say?  Something about when Lions are fighting over the last scraps of food (physical), us small dogs best hide with what’s in our bellies already.

Last visit to my dealer he only had 1/10 oz eagles for $120 each.  No ounces.  I found a Krugerrand in a monster rope bezel in his showcase for $1100 and snapped it up.  Turns out there was a full ounce of 14k rope and bezel there also, so my net gold cost was $645/oz.

Heads up to a good read.  Don’t let the title or the bullet point leads fool you, this is “everyman” in the western world.

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THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Bill,

Under these conditions of extreme suppression of the price of gold and silver by the powers that be (and there are many, many of them), it is difficult to put into words the degree of frustration that I have toward our financial institutions, our government, and the country that I love so dearly. In every aspect of our culture today, perception is reality, and perception is what the powers that be want it to be. Today, Friday, December 5, 2008 was a disgraceful, yet representative example of the massive manipulation that has been taking place for years in the financial markets. On the worst job loss news in decades, the stock market was jazzed up by the PPT almost 300 points, while gold and silver and the precious metal equities were bombed. Also on this terrible economic news, the dollar rose. There is no honest explanation for this, and anyone that is breathing should be aware of the incongruity. After years of watching this crapola, I have concluded the following:

• The American people don’t want to know the truth. It is too comforting and reassuring to go along with the lies. Lies provide hope, albeit counterfeit.
• The American people could care less if the small precious metals market is being adversely manipulated (even if they knew) because although wrong, they do not think it affects them. The entire mainstream financial system is set up for advancing the vaporous paper asset dynamic. Everyone (and there are millions) involved in the current system has a vested interest in its continuation. Few, in relative terms, have a direct interest in precious metals, thus it is a lamb that easily and conveniently can be sacrificed without garnering attention, but with great impact.
• The American people are clueless about the obvious market manipulation going on every day right in front of them. Besides, they love it when Hammering Hank, Benevolent Ben and the sugar daddy PPT comes to the rescue in the first and/or last hour of the trading day to resurrect a plunging market in light of horrible economic news. Why question good fortune?
• The American people are not aware that our real economic base (manufacturing) has been exported and that we have no existing foundation upon which to rebuild. We have been lied to about the viability of an unproductive financial services based economy, and have accepted those lies.
• The American people have little concept of basic economics and are therefore incapable of figuring out how they are being taken advantage of by the bankers, the government and unscrupulous corporations. Those who do have an awareness of basic economics, only know the lies of Keynesian economic theory. Our leaders continue to destroy the economy by using Keynesian tools that are designed to help bankers, politicians, and non competitive large corporations to the detriment of the people. We accept inflation as normal and natural, even as it makes us more poor every day. We accept false government statistics even as they are clearly wrong and make no sense.
• The American people have not held accountable those responsible for financial and legislative corruption. Seldom, if ever do you hear of a banker or politician being brought to justice. In the few instances their crimes are brought to light, they either call in their favors to avoid prosecution, or if prosecuted, go away with a snicker and laugh while walking away with millions and a small fine.
• The American people have not demanded an honest and inquisitive news media that exposes financial and governmental corruption. Bankers and politicians generally are off limits.
• The American people have become slaves, not only to the bankers, politicians, and corporate heads, but also to the culture of consumption. As a people we work too many hours and take too little time off to enjoy life. We are on an endless treadmill that is speeding up beyond our ability to keep up.
• The American people no longer have the desire or perhaps the ability (both political parties behave the same) to hold bankers, politicians, and corporate heads responsible for the mess they have made.
• The American people have no concept of the enormous amount of money that has been put into the system in the last several years (and especially the last several months) and how it will adversely affect them, their children, and their children’s progeny in the future. The insane number of dollars being created out of thin air is mind-boggling, to say the least.
• The American people have allowed those in power to abuse the privilege and trust of office. We allowed FDR to set the tone for uncontrolled and socialistic government/economic power during the thirties and forties. We allowed LBJ’s guns and butter policy in the 1960’s to run up a national debt that keeps growing and will never be repaid. We allowed Richard Nixon in 1971 to default on our nations promise to convert dollars to gold. We allowed (our supposed conservative hero) Ronald Reagan in 1988 to create the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets by Executive Order 12631, thus initiating the formal apparatus for manipulating our financial markets. We allowed the federal legislative and judicial bodies to far exceed the powers granted to them in the constitution. We allowed large corporate executives to pay themselves ridiculous amounts of money. We allowed too many financial institutions to become too big to fail. There is no bail out clause in the constitution.
• The American people now feel helpless to change anything. The financial and government system is completely out of control.
• The American people are ultimately responsible for these problems because we have allowed them to occur and continue unchecked. We have let things go, and have allowed bigness in financial institutions, government and business to overcome and control us. The American government and our financial system has been discredited throughout the world. We are seen as not only greedy, but dangerous. Thanks to our financial, government and big ineffective corporate leaders, we are now viewed by the world as “The Evil Empire”.

I am a conservative American. I am horrified that we have allowed these things to happen to us. I’m afraid it will take a major economic depression and a social revolution to bring us back to reality. We are reaping the results of our apathy. However, in spite of our inattention and neglect, it does not excuse the rapacious criminal behavior of our financial, governmental and corporate leaders. We are basically good, hard working and honest folks. We have just been asleep. Let us pray that we, as a nation and as a people, will wake up and rebuild our moral and economic foundation to its former greatness. We owe it to our founders, our honest and truthful leaders, our faithful soldiers, our hard working citizens, and all those American predecessors who made so many sacrifices for us. We also owe it to our children, grandchildren and their progeny.

I had to get this out. I’ve been steaming over it for a long time. Thanks for all you and GATA do to speak the truth. Somehow, the truth must be heard.

Spence

My Beach House is fully furnished and available shortly!  Bring truckloads of money… it’s the only way anyone survives here.   I’m still waiting on Godot here… corp. budget release of the hiring funds… due any day now.

Moving in the middle of winter…   priceless.   (Insert frozen blue smiley with chattering teeth here.)   Lord, the sacrifices we make for our personal economy.

I don’t chase no dog gone paper Dra-Gone!!

Below is an update for MS 63 Saint prices relative to spot…….

Nov. 7, 08 Spot….$740 MS 63 Saint $1280……equals spot plus $540
Nov. 14, 08 Spot….$751 MS 63 Saint $1195……equals spot plus $474
Nov. 21, 08 Spot….$803 MS 63 Saint $1270……equals spot plus $467
Nov. 28, 08 Spot…. $815 MS 63 Saint $1325……equals spot plus $510
Dec. 5, 08 Spot…. $ 759 MS 63 Saint $1310……equals spot plus $551

The spreads are holding up pretty well, no real sign of weakness. The highest spread that I have recorded was on Oct. 10,17, and 20 when the spread was $623

As long as there is shortages of physical bullion at the retail level people will be buying these coins and the spreads will remain high.
Best
Dusty

How bout them Gators!   I am pulling for Mizzouri tonight (sorry RNO) as I am not sure that the Gators or anyone else can beat Oklahoma.  We might have a chance against Texas but Oklahoma just looks to strong for anyone right now.

Suppose to be 22 tonight here in Nashville, wish I was sitting on Wanka porch! 

Perhaps some serious implications for where we put out $$$, and when. Someone, somewhere, is scooping up tons of gold, on an ongoing basis, and here we are, chasing paper dragons…duh!

I lease them a framed Butler Building. It’s somewhere in Toto’s Kansas. Security does not allow me to say……’exactly.’

They bring it in, we stack it neatly.
Charge them Security & rent. One bar/week…..that’s part of their GLD expense.
Don’t tell anyone, tho.

LOL

I was at GLD’s site a couple weeks ago and noticed they put new images of the vault. Looking good.

impressive.jpg

Tonnes: 757.89
Ounces: 24,366,840
Value US$: 18,249,112,876.90

The question I started to wonder is what country is this vault in? What stops a government or marching army from attempting a $18B heist?

Naw I’ve been around….. just don’t post much with all the bitchen & crying…….. RGLD is my best…. then there are some like USG, PAL ….. my worst…….. gatta admit tho RGLD has certainly held up…….. and the shorts have been covering… go figure……. sometimes I just shut it all down & walk away for a week or so. Otherwise I’m lurkin.

Hey Illusion….. have you moved to the NW yet……. if your tomb is still on the islands I would be interested in taking it over to get away from this damp gray s…. I would pay a little rent, perhaps a sovereign or 2..  . Oh for Wanka’s porch.

Florida.. how about them Gators…. another national title & Heisman for Tebow?

again I appreciate everybody’s input…..

buymore

I was at GLD’s site a couple weeks ago and noticed they put new images of the vault. Looking good.

Tonnes: 757.89
Ounces: 24,366,840
Value US$: 18,249,112,876.90

The question I started to wonder is what country is this vault in? What stops a government or marching army from attempting a $18B heist?

…I ain’t tellin’ where!   

GO  GATORS!