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all we can do is

try to seek truth and ask our friends and families to do the same. outrage is acceptable, but channeling our positive energy into meaningful change is the best solution. We can change certain aspects of our future, and we are all individually/ collectively responsible for making change in our personal lives. honesty and integrity might mean something again some day.

have a great holiday everyone, wishing everyone out there the very best.

Slippery in Seattle

A slew of HS kids got the scare of their life when their bus slid down an icy hill and crashed into a guardrail.  Then the bus behind them tried to go down the same hill and crashed into the back of the first bus and almost knocked them onto the freeway 50 ft. down.

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eeos @ 15:03 pm

Thats is the gist of my earlier post on gold vs oil shares,that data of performance is fd up.Gold shares have been squashed like a canary in a gold mine. People should be mad and not only gold stock investors but seekers of truth. The system is so corrupt it kills the very barometer that gives us pause, that something just might be the hell wrong,and really gold shares are just analogous with the depth of corruption that has taken over the continent/world. With these criminals in total control there is no hope but for total destruction of all things good imho. When the ashes settle even the shit that grows out of that pile will be rooted in total evil.

Other than that the snow looks pretty today!

Wanka

nevermind, just checked the ebay. wow some of those early dates have a $200.   ask ….. whoa..maybe I should catch a jet plane to london for a weekend & do a little business …. say in 2012……gotta run…. cook dinner &time for Pop’s bath & shave…….. later

buymore

buymore

at this astonishing premium rate the early vickies will become some ‘nuemismatic’ type holdings. i see for the most part various dealers have no sovs and i understand in europe they are far and few between. [would really like an update from one of our europe friends] the bid/ask premium i quoted earilier was from cni who i presume have some since they show up on thier quote board but i doubt there vickies probably kings or lizzies. wj
www.golddealer.com/index.asp

aggie

I kinda feel bad running down to Belize ..but in my mind I am hoping to create a safe haven..time to breath and re-group so to speak…then work back from a solid base of operations…maybe I am off a little in my plans but in my heart I just know it is the right course to take…

I mentioned a few years ago that if you have room to breath , food to and eat, and time to think. you will be a great help to others in need.

Wanka

been watching that 24 hour gold site occasionaly……… what about the early dates say late 1800-early 1900?

buymore

eeos/Irish….

It’s a crying assed shame we don’t have a few thousand Iacoccas. I think there are many here shouting the same message. It is passed time to take the bull by the horns. This country has a history of worse crises than this one….WW2, Civil War….you name it. Maybe when things get worse than awful……the new leaders will emerge. I don’t think it is too late for America……but damned close.

All the best.——–aggie.

Ridiculous! I just sent this to Bill Murphy

GOLD performance v.s. everything else is always pointed to by gold friendly advisors–but they never mention the rig or why gold isn’t $1200-$2000–they never deal with why gold is the same price now as it was lasts year at this time–they also use the “deleveraging” excuse—none of them want to acknowledge the rig because it is your territory–how petty of them–this week the XYZ NEWSLETTER writes:

“So, as we approach the end of 2009, Gold in $US terms stands at almost precisely the level at which it began the year. There is no other class of investment which can boast a record anywhere near that good.”

[ridiculous!]—after the greatest financial crisis in history-for supposed gold friendly advisors to write the above!!

eeos

I don’t know what to say …Iaccocca has always been a thinker..but if he is that upset ..I wonder..I wonder if he has any juice to do anything or are we too far past the tipping point..hmmmm

Lee Iacocca goes off!

I found this at uncle jim’s site this weekend.

Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

Every word is truth. Where is the OUTRAGE?

Remember Lee Iacocca, the VP at Ford credited with the birth of the Mustang, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from their death throes, and the owner of the famous quote ‘Lead, follow, or get out of the way’? Well, he’s back!  He has a new book, and here are some excerpts.

Lee Iacocca writes:

Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, “Stay the course.”

Stay the course? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I’ll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

You might think I’m getting senile, that I’ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we’re fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving ‘pom-poms’ instead of asking hard questions. That’s not the promise of the ‘ America ‘ my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I’ve had enough. How about you?

I’ll go a step further. You can’t call yourself a patriot if you’re not outraged. This is a fight I’m ready and willing to have.

The Biggest ‘C’ is Crisis !

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It’s easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else’s kids off to war when you’ve never seen a battlefield yourself.  It’s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. George Bush, Dick Chaney and who is this Bozo coming up next?  One of the most Liberal Idiots in the U.S. Senate, and he is talking about disarming America . I can’t believe the

American people aren’t seeing what he is about to do to this country. May God have mercy on us all.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess. So here’s where we stand. We’re immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We’re running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We’re losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great Companies are all moving offshore. We’re getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy.  Our schools are the worst in the world. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry  out for leadership and we are getting ready to put the most Liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate in as our next President because we want to be fair and elect someone just because of his race. We don’t have time to be fair, we need a strong leader.

But when you look around, you’ve got to ask: ‘Where have all the leaders gone?’ Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I hope you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We’ve spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone’s hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn’t happen again. Well guess what people?  We are having more floods right now.  What are we doing to help these people out?  Now, that’s just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you’re going to do the next time.  Why are we allowing people to build in flood plains anyway?  If you build in a flood area, expect to be flooded and deal with it. Don’t expect the Government to bail you out.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. All they seem to be thinking now-days is getting themselves bigger salaries and bonuses. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when ‘The Big Three’ referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? Likely nothing!

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry. I have news for the gang in Congress and the Senate. We didn’t elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on  Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break.  Why don’t you guys show some spine for a change?  I honestly don’t think any of you have one!

Had Enough?

Hey, I’m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I’m trying to light a fire. I’m speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America … In my lifetime I’ve had the privilege of living through some of America’s greatest moments I’ve also experienced some of our worst crises: the ‘Great Depression’, ‘World War II’, the ‘Korean War’, the ‘Kennedy Assassination’,  the ‘Vietnam War’, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I’ve learned one thing, it’s this:

‘You don’t get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it’s building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That’s the challenge I’m raising in this book. It’s a call to ‘Action’ for people who, like me, believe in America . It’s not too late, but it’s getting pretty close. So let’s  shake

off the crap and go to work. Let’s tell ‘em all we’ve had ‘enough.’

grin@13:23….

The disparity in the gold stocks is most definitely a real pisser…..But I gotta believe that the worm will turn. Someone came up with the idea that if the boyz have trouble sitting on the bullion, they’ll by default hammer the stocks. Looks like that’s what happened. The pm stocks were destroyed and left for dead. Time and patience is needed for their recovery. Although not especially pleased……I’m heartened to see the producers doubling off the recent lows. Remember January of last year? Everybody piled into the producers. Maybe history will repeat. Tks again for the great chart work!

All the best.——–aggie.

….Anyone heard from Rambus lately…..

I wonder why he has suddenly disappeared. Rambus I know that you are reading this forum. Could it be that your analysis has turned up a much worse bearish scenario than anyone could imagine? And rather than post it, and be chastised for your middle of the road view, your have decided to pull away?

Rambus, your honesty and humility about the way the you present your analysis is what really has captured the hearts of many here. Myself included. God has given you a gift, both in analysis and the presentation of such. Your do not have any obligation to anyone. IF I remember correctly your original reason for presenting your work was to share it with others, whether your analysis turned out to be right or wrong. With all the different analyses that have come to the forum, I have continued to come to the tent because I can not find this type of sharing anywhere else. The posters and members of the tent are obliged like myself  to take the information that is presented and judge it for themselves. From one individual to another, from the bottom of my heart, I would like you to reconsider about coming back to the tent and posting your views, whether they will get most bearish or most bullish. I will share with you what my thoughts are about the next 100 days…..and yes….I have thought to myself what would be the most likely thing that goldbugs and people who invest in gold stocks not expect to happen. The only thing that I could come up with is this. IT would be a sucker rally that turns into a major leg down that would retrace everything gained in the complete first leg up. This is known to happen during first legs up only before starting into the next bull part of the market. It does not matter that I am ridiculed or kicked off the tent. It is important that this possibility be presented so other people are aware of it happening. IT is possible that the third wave has already started but I am holding out for now.

My scenario consists of a two ABC corrections within a larger ABC correction. I use the top of the right shoulder at 480 on the HUI as the starting point (This was where the down trend was confirmed). In lower A is created with drop from 480 to 253 (drop of 227). Lower B is formed with the bear market rally from 227 to 359 (increase of 132). Lower C is created from the drop from 359 down to 150 (drop of 209). This also completes Large A of the next wave degree higher.

What really drew my attention was the size the bear market rally B from 150 to 311 (Increase of 161) so far. If 311 is the actual top, an estimate of the C wave down can used by duplicating wave A. With top of the large B wave being considered as 311, the same drop of 227 small a of large would be 84. The bear market rally that completes small B of large C would be 84. If we use at the increase of 161 of small wave b of large A, we get a top of 245. Small c of large c is completed with a drop of 209 down to the 36 area.

Could this happen? Certainly in these market conditions. What bodes well is that a C downward move is still to come in the general markets which would take them down towards the 6000 area. Gold stocks have generally trended downwards with the general markets under such a scenario which makes the scenario above a little more realistic but we may have started third wave as all of the cash injections that have gone into propping up the banks on a global basis etc work their way through the system to create inflation that the third is known for. All in God’s time will be known. We are at one of those very critical inflection points that could go either way. Waiting is what I have chosen to do for now. If I missed the ramp some that is okay with me.

Rambus, I challenge you to present your most recent views of the charts. I have done mine be it right or wrong. For me it is more important that analysis be put forward so that people who take a neutral stance (are neither perma bear or bull) take the analysis and refute it or add to it. I take nothing personal as I think of the individuals on the forum.

I would like to wish everyone the best holidays ever as the New Year certainly brings forth some interesting times to say the least.

 RLS

Cannuckgold

If that doesnt p you off enough think of it this way;

Oil fell 73% and the xoi fell 55%

Gold fell 34% and the xau fell 70%

Oil fell to 40, xoi fell to levels seen at 40

Gold fell to 680 xau fell to levels seen at 287

Falling oil is good for gold miner production costs.

ps merry xmas

deck the halls and punch out the paulsens.